I love reading all the threads and sometimes they get me confused because of the different times we all see the Doctor. I live in South San Francisco, California, so I get the Doctor on BBC America and SciFi which is behind the European times. (I"m so jealous that you guys are so closer to the Doctor then I am. Can I tempt you with George Clooney new movie?) Just wondering where fans are living?
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Fri, April 4, 2008 - 11:04 PMI'm living in China. I usually download the episodes and watch them about a day after they air in the U.K. -
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Fri, April 4, 2008 - 11:29 PMthat's what everyone is talking about.
I live in LA.
Sci Fi will be running season 4 starting on April 18.
Those who choose to use bit torrent download the episodes
right after they air on the bbc which for season 4 starts....
tomorrow night.... ahhhh - I'm gonna faint.
RR.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 2:53 PMYou're living in China, Scott? What's up with that/how is it? -
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 5:32 AMit's really interesting. living in another country gives you a whole new perspective on the world, makes you see patterns you wouldn't have noticed otherwise. things are different, but they're also the same, if that makes sense. -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 11:19 AMDo you worry about your own human rights there? -
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Thu, April 10, 2008 - 7:51 PMNah. Obviously you want to be respectful to any country you're a guest in, otherwise you may be asked to leave or not allowed to come back in. China has its problems just like any other country, but I wouldn't confuse the abuses of some with the whole country. Just like everywhere, there are bad people and there are good people. Though things like media and internet censorship are annoying (especially when it causes the internet to slow down when i'm trying to watch doctor who, haha). -
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 9:41 AMInteresting, thanks. :)
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Fri, April 11, 2008 - 10:08 AMIf you're visiting China, you have very little to worry about, unless you're actually agitating against the government. Apart from that, you can pretty much speak your mind with anyone and they will likely be as freely spoken as you. In my experience, most Chinese have no fear of criticizing their government, so long as it doesn't go into print. While sometimes western media give a picture of China's government as overtly repressive, there is actually very selective enforcement and people get away with alot of things. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 3:16 PMPeople generally don't get away with rioting anywhere, whether the rioting is for a good cause or not. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:46 PMYeah, and those tanks rolled over Tienenmen Square because of rioting.
The low low prices Americans enjoy at Wal-Mart thanks to political dissidents being exploited for slave labor in the PRC-- they must have been rioting. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 5:32 PMI did not say China only represses people for rioting. You seem to think I am somehow pro-PRC government, which leads you to rave against positions that I do not hold. Give it up. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 5:49 PMwow this thread has spun insanely off topic lol
Perhaps we should call it a day.
I'd like to add I consider chinese culture a great addition ot the world but I do find some of the systems harsh but that's true about every government I think.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 7:41 PMTo bring this somewhat back on topic (at least for this tribe, if not this thread)... anyone remember when Chairman Mao was explicitly mentioned in a Dr Who episode? -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:37 AMMy gut says some time during Tom Baker, but I can't recall. My gut says a lot of things, and the default answer is Tom Baker, so I wouldn't give my gut a lot of authority on this.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 3:16 PMMao Zedong is mentioned by the Doctor in the John Pertwee-era story, "Mind of Evil"
"The Doctor can speak Mandarin and went on the Long March with Mao Tse-Tung and seems sympathetic towards him."
tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mind_of_Evil
"The Doctor is a personal friend of Mao-Tse Tung [odd that he counts as a friend the man responsible for the Cultural Revolution] and seems to support capital punishment in episode one. "
www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/c...detail.shtml
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 3:20 PMdamn I was gonna say that ;)
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 4:31 PMI should point out that Tom Baker's Mandarin in Talons of Weng-Chiang is excruciating. "NEE HOW MA" -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 11:40 AMDidn't we Westerners still call Beijing 'Peking' back then? I don't mean back when Talons was set, I mean when Talons aired, in the late 1970s. I don't fault Tom for his accent. Maybe he was being ironic, or trying to blend as a proper Englishman with a crappy accent might. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 12:51 PMIt's true, we can't blame Tom. But the Doctor IS supposed to be fluent.
As an aside, I've heard there's evidence that "Peking" at one point (maybe 19th century) actually WAS an accurate pronunciation, but spoken Mandarin has changed since then.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 3:21 PMActually, Ryan, my most critical points were not addressed to you, nor were they about you. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 4:34 PMSorry, but you accused me of "apologism" and "making excuses." -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:41 PMWell, you were starting to sound like Henry Kissinger after the Tienamen Square Massacre in 1989 (yes, I have been following these issues for a long long time) when he stated the right of any sovereign state to protect itself in its own capital. That's making excuses. If people are rioting it is because the PRC refuses to acknowledge the human rights of the people it claims as citizens and the people have tried non-violence repeatedly over many decades with no success.
However my main objection was actually to Scott dismissing as "an exaggeration" my description of the PRC as one of the bloodiest regimes in human history . -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 6:54 PMI came nowhere close to the Kissinger argument. I never said or suggested that China had a sovereign right to repress Tibetans or labor activists. I was simply stating the way things are in China, today, for a visitor, based on my experience. At no point did I say China was justified in its repressive actions, nor did I say that the rioting was unjustified... as a matter of fact I am quite sympathetic to the cause of Tibetan independence as well as labor organizers, etc. All of this is besides the point, which is that someone ~visiting~ China today doesn't have to worry about their human rights unless they agitate against the government. Unfortunately you chose to misread me. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:06 PMJudging by some of the other reactions on this discussion, I was not the only one who "misread" you, perhaps it is you who "misspoke." -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:21 PMPeople with knee-jerk opinions have trouble understanding dispassionate ones. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:10 PMDispassionate reactions towards torture, slave labor camps, and ethnic cleansing? Yes, I did understand that.
A dispassionate view in such instances is no virtue. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:14 PM"Dispassionate reactions towards torture, slave labor camps, and ethnic cleansing"
None of these were being discussed until you brought them up. -
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Wed, April 16, 2008 - 1:55 PM"None of these were being discussed until you brought them up."
Actually, I was not the first to discuss China's human rights violations. I wasn't even the first one to bring up the issue of Tibet. You can check the time stamps if you wish.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:28 AMOr a political dissident; Or an advocate for workers' rights; Or freedom of speech/press/religion; or an advocate for free elections; or judicial due-process; or...
Please: more apologism for one of the bloodiest regimes in human history, thanks! -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 10:18 AM<more apologism for one of the bloodiest regimes in human history>
I'm not sure which is more annoying, those who romanticize Chinese history (which no one in this thread has done), or those who exaggerate it to the opposite extreme. It reminds me of the people who have an agenda to either praise or bash America, no matter what the actual facts are.
Get into a TARDIS sometime and travel throughout human history to see how bloody it really is. Or just hop on a plane and go to any of the great number of places today which are far more dangerous or miserable to live than either America or China. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 11:49 AMI'm def not weighing in on who's got bloodiest regime
... excep it aint' canada *gives thumbs up*
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:42 PM> those who exaggerate it to the opposite extreme.
I'm not exaggerating. I am relying on the work of political scientists who study governmental mass murder (as in the deliberate killing of non-combatants as government policy.) While there is always a margin of error regarding any reasonable estimate, the People's Republic of China consistently ranks as one of the three most murderous regimes in history along with the Soviet Union and the Third Reich (and generally as number two-- though sometimes as number one.)
Yes, the worst abuses were decades ago, but the regime is still in place-- and still kills.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 3:14 PMOnce again, "unless you're actually agitating against the government." Labor and democracy activists, right or wrong, are doing this. So are Tibetan pro-independence rioters. I'm not making apologetics at all.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:49 PMSo China invaded and annexed Tibet and has since tried to destroy the indigenous culture because they were rioting?
Sorry. You're making excuses. China's only legal claim on Tibet comes from the barrel of a gun. -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 5:30 PMI'm referring to recent events. Obviously the invasion of Tibet is a different matter. Nor am I making excuses, since I'm not justifying China's actions, recent or earlier. I don't see why you feel the need to erect strawmen here.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 12:10 AMI'm in Sacramento area (so I'm not that far from you) but being an Artist and Computer tech I just have to get the eps as soon as i can .
I find i can get them if the net is good tome the same night after the first torrent post.. (getting the last eps of Torchwood as I type)
I feel for those that can't get on to the torrents but i do watch the eps as they air here as well as i want the to support the shows and the Sci fi channel and BBC America for airing the new shows And now we will be getting all 3 shows Doctor who ,Torchwood And Sarah Jane. this great and far from the days when I had to ajust the Rabbit Ears to get Channel 4 to watch the fist eps of this really cool guy with blue box that let him travel in time and space... Thank god PBS KQED then stated to run the shows .. which confused me as I started to see only a few eps with the third Doctor and when the show started for me I was seeing some one else but was Hook as I found more about who this Timeload was.
That was like 1972-73 then as many time as i could find the show being aired on PBS out of SF KQED and Channel 4 KRON.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 1:35 AMI just moved back to SF. I don't have cable or actually a real TV although I do have slingbox so I watch doctor who through torrents, online or at friends' houses. -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 5:20 AMI live in the UK. So see them on TV as they are shown. Not very into deep thought about the shows. Like to watch them. Do like to read the comments that others make about them.
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 9:24 AMi live in the sticks of northern canada. i don't have tv reception, so i have to wait until the series are sold through amazon. i'm very careful to avoid spoilers, as the season is well over before i get to see it. i do have a serious collection of doctor who dvd's. they definitely help pass the very long and cold winter nights. -
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Sat, April 5, 2008 - 1:36 PMVery cool collection of Doctor Who fans. I, also, first started watching Doctor Who on the PBS channels when I was young. Early days, the shows were on very late at night and in two or three episodes. And in the days of no recorders, no home computers, no Tivo! Gasp! But glad you are all here, again, the beauty of Tribe, hearing from all parts of the world. Nice to know I'm in such good company of Doctor Who fans.
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