Doctors Daughter

topic posted Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:01 AM by  Fenn
Things I liked
Geni (or is it Jenny) as a character was fun not slow and how to say it ... nimble ;)
Sets love the good old running down corridors
New alien (blub blub blub)

Things I didn't like
the numerous and glaring plot holes such as:
- if only 7 days have passed how come there were old people if they all start off around 20
- where did the drones go
- who started the dna regeneration who's stock was used?
- if they started off in peaceful coexistence how did the get to a clone war in 7 days or so.
posted by:
Fenn
Toronto
  • Re: Doctors Daughter

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:43 PM
    while this has been getting a lot of good reviews I though it was just ok. I've been a big fan of plucky blond wonder girls but geni wasn't as mary sue as she could have been or as annoying as rose was.

    I like both donna and martha. I could do without the doctor's grandstanding obout not wiping out entire races since he has infact wiped out entire races.

    her ending was not surprising at all but I though it would have to do with clones having very short lives which also would have explained how no one from seven days before could still be around. to have it be only seven days and have them not know that then all the original crew member would have had to been killed or that old dude was the last of the original crew and he created the myths to get to explain things.

    they did explain that the war started when the ship's captained died and the hath and human split up into faction trying to be incontrol.
    • Re: Doctors Daughter

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 7:29 PM
      we assume of course that a day is a day on the new calendar, and not 1 day = 1 week.

      All in all a good episode, but mostly carried by jenni with that amazing smile and by the reflective moments of the doctor. It seemed rather focused on his past, him as a soldier, him as a father, the little reflections into his past we're seeing more and more of. Which is good.

      yes, obvious plot holes but thats become pretty standard. All that was missing was rose appearing somewhere.
      • Re: Doctors Daughter

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:08 PM
        I like the eps over all for the Jenny parts and all but i had a thought what year was it? how far from now is it or will it be? what if it was a waybay moment and Jen now is off to be the mother of a new race...Hmm now that would be really bad.. but funny .

        The whole Race of Timelords from one young girl . lol Now that would mother of all paradoxes?

        I would have like to have know more about the plant and time line where the people there came from and all.
        I feel the same I think the older guy must have know the truth and that is why he tried to fight the truth

        The ending was good but some how I knew things were going to end well . this eps was very good plot holes and all


        CC
        • Re: Doctors Daughter

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 12:38 PM
          the year was 6024 i think or something near that.

          The paradox would be if Jenni found a way back in time and was the mother of the entire timelord race.
          • Re: Doctors Daughter

            Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:24 PM
            yep .. or who knows she could bring a new race of Timelords as well which the Doctor finds later .. I just hope they meet up again this was a fun eps.
            • Re: Doctors Daughter

              Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:47 AM
              that's not the paradox. The paradox was the TARDIS went to retrieve a timelord that wouldn't have been there if he hadn't gone to retrieve it.

              I understand the war started when the captain died. But why did it start? Why are they all programmed for combat right away if they were going to live in peace? What they only had 1 crew member ? the captain?

              Fenn
  • Re: Doctors Daughter

    Tue, May 13, 2008 - 11:03 AM
    I just had a thought


    When they found the Doctor hands were Clean they saw him as idea for cloning .
    could the fact that the works hands we dirty cause the download to screw up and causing the idea they were or need to fight?
    I mean if the area where they took the cell sample from had some kind of ore or other on them this could mess up the machines.
    plus if the was a problem with the download system and instead getting told how to fight the elements they were told how to fight the enemy.

    its just a thought .

    CC
    • Re: Doctors Daughter

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:04 AM
      Georgia Moffett is is the daughter of Peter Davison. I had no idea
      • Re: Doctors Daughter

        Sat, June 7, 2008 - 8:42 PM
        Two issues:

        a) How come she regenerated in the same body? Every other time we've seen a regen, we've seen a new face. The only explanation I can come up with is that since her first incarnation was only a few hours old, her getting shot was really like her Mulligan, and she gets a do-over (c.f., when #10 loses his hand shortly after regeneration, he grows a new one).

        b) Apparently Gallifrey is not in Ireland but in West Virginia: www.dailyrecord.co.uk/enterta...0593385/
        • Re: Doctors Daughter

          Sun, June 8, 2008 - 5:31 PM
          To me it looked like they used the life-giving gases of the terra-forming process to bring her back...ala' "Star Trek:The Search For Spock" with the Genesis project thingy....

          I could be wrong though.
          • Re: Doctors Daughter

            Mon, June 9, 2008 - 11:24 AM
            Hmm, perhaps. Though didn't Eccelston emit similar gas/energy (albeit in larger quantities) when he regenerated?

            Since we had a power failure that seems to have fried our DVR box last night, I may not know first hand for sure for a while.

            I believe I remember seeing in the credits that it was based on a novel by Helen Raynor, or something like that. What happened in the book?
  • Re: Doctors Daughter

    Sat, June 7, 2008 - 9:17 PM
    Good performance by Tennent-- proving that he actually can deliver the gravitas that Eccleston did so well-- too bad that the scripts so rarely allow for this. Donna continues to be an excellent companion. Martha just pales in comparison though-- too bad since Agyeman actually put in one of her better performances that she just doens't have Tate's acting chops.

    1.) I liked the look of the episode. It was clearly done on a budget, but the production designers' imaginations trumped the budget.

    2.) The introduction of Jenny didn't have the emotional impact it could have had since she was unproblematically cloned as a /fully dressed/ adult without any backstory whatsoever. There might have been greater story potential she been from the Doctor's untelevised past.

    3.) The Hath are cool looking but we never learn a thing about them. If we learned more about the Hath, maybe we could have had a more interesting story leading up to the peace settlement brought by the Doctor.

    4.) The week-long clone war is a great idea but it's never taken to its logical conclusion: no old timers from the first days of the war, no massive carnage that would necessitate constant cloning, no harvesting of corpses for raw material for making more clones, et cetera.

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