Episode 1 - Partners in Crime

Never sweat the small stuff. Cheers back atcha.

not just one of the worst episodes of doctor who i have ever seen, but some of the worst television i have ever seen.

I amsorry on if we are getting off track at to who likes or hates which eps and all but I think that we all agree RTD did good at first start and I think he was take off course with a change of Doctors right after getting very large and good numbers of reviews . The current Doctor I do like but the Scripts do test to reflect the views of the people writing. and i will go there the Doctor Who shows never were or ever had much to do with sexual pref or there in . and this wasn't a day time drama this was geeky Scifi at its best and it had charm in that and we need that charm back.

RTD will be gone after DW come back this has been said and hope to be true. Who ever we get I to take over i hope has some sence of the original shows and how they came about.
I can't say that show has been "Americanized" I think it had been more generalized to fit in with what ever mindless dribble they call entertainment. RTD has not said if he will keep doing Torchwood but I think that he will.
Adding Torchwood into the mix was interesting. In the past the Doctor had UNIT to rely on and no one was looking at the Doctor as they do now a man that come in and bad things happen.. .. its almost like some re-wrote history and the Doctor has taken on a darker side that we did not see before.

I stand by what said if we want bettre we have to demand it. We in the US may not have much said but those of you in the UK can.

Don't give up Fight ... I know I never saw much past the Tom Baker years and I could not stand Davidson that much I didn't see any of the Collin Baker Doctor and McCoy saw but a few and like those few..

The show had to change the way it was shot so FX and all were bound to change (the got better that good) But with the Doctor being go for so long Change of the store line was something we have to deal with. We do not have the writer of the past and the stories that made us all sit the edge of or chairs as we wated for the monster to jump out only to get the Shows end credits pop up and we had to wait a week to see if the Doctor made it or if Sarah Jane was carried off (again).

Good stories are like Magic .. they happen when all believe it can happen. really it dose...and the writers need to get back to believing in that and not "Americanized" the show or dumbing it down or doing anything that didn't happen before.. stick to what works not going off with banter about some ones butt or sexual innuendos. Blink was great we didn't see the doctor till all was over and it was out sink and it worked.

(note they seem to be taking the TARDIS away for salving every plot like don't they?)

Ok thats my views let write letter and email and scream at those at the BBC and how some is taken a count of what the fans want.

and if don't work well at lease we tried and we can come her and vent with friends that under stand why we are all upset.

CC

<but even JNT wrote better plots.>

The only thing I'm aware of JNT actually writing was the 30th anniversary special, "Dimensions In Time".

<shudder>

System Interrupt
NO NO NO
DravenGal either you are a troll asking this question for Gordon so he can answer it AGAIN
or you haven't bothered to read the other threads were this is explained and repeated over and over
OR
you are an innocent...
in any case take your question away and if you want an answer go and read Gordon's most recent posts
they will answer all.

And to stay on his good side talk about Foucault, but not the pendulums the french philosophy...

From the hilarious Wired Guide to Trendy French Philosophers:
www.wired.com/wired/archi...pomo_pr.html

Foucault

Michel Foucault explored and analyzed the political and bureaucratic aspects of control and punishment. He was among the first to recognize and define our emerging technocratic surveillance culture in terms of the "panopticon," a multitiered prison complex in which all activity is visible to the overseers. Poor Michel. He didn't know about anonymous remailers.

I watch and enjoy the new series, but I cannot help lamenting how much it falls short of being as adventurous or interesting as the best parts of the original show. The original show for sure had its share of stinkers and filler, inevitably, being the longest running sci-fi show in history. But I think I can generalize and say that the original show feels open-ended and full of possibilities, whereas the new series feels linear and formulaic. I think Gordon's criticisms are largely valid. To me, the show tries too hard to be "contemporary, smart, and fun" and while it often succeeds, this is not really a good thing. A "contemporary" show today may well appear dated and hokey in a decade or so, and I suspect this will be the case with much of the current series. People will think, "this is very '00's". The older series, when it was good, allowed one to overlook the goofy costumes and dodgy effects and appreciate a genuinely gripping and intelligent story, which could be satirical without being banal. That's the problem for me- the current show is obsessed with "postmodern" cleverness and will never allow itself to be serious or really thought-provoking or simply strange, unless some good writers take charge.

I urge you to check out some choice stories from the old show and experience the difference.